Bastards.
Sorry about all the shadows. |
Well, not so fast. My first ride (around the block, in the rain) had me pretty worried - so much so that I pulled out the angle finder to check things over, because it seemed MUCH too twitchy for a bike with a 69 degree head tube angle. After confirming things were right, a little cogitation solved the mystery: I had been riding exclusively on the cargo bike (7' wheelbase!) all winter. Any "normal" single bike was going to feel weird.
Nevertheless, I was still nervous last week when the trails dried out enough to get some real rides in. I set out to find out just how stupid Stupidmobile actually was by riding a number of variations on our local (literally a 10 minute ride from the door) trail system. The Shoreline trail is mostly bench cut singletrack on steep, semi-rocky (limestone) soil. It occasionally wanders up a drainage (the Dry Creek section is a classic) or a mountain (Mt. Van Cott is a fun way to cough up a lung) and it features what might be the most fun section of singletrack in Utah - the Bobsled (yes, it's really berms the whole way, yes, those guys are jerks for riding it when it's muddy). Long story short, it's got most of your types of XC terrain to test frame geometry.
I have to admit that at first, I wasn't riding the bike very well. I was oversteering everything due to the super short wheelbase - the bike steers much quicker than you'd expect from something with a 69 degree head tube angle and coming from an FS bike (my main ride in 2012) with almost an extra 1.5" of wheelbase, it was a bit of a shock. If you leave your butt in the saddle over any kind of rough terrain the tucked-under rear wheel will let you know in a hurry by attempting to eject you. I managed to not crash up the Dry Creek climb and figured I'd take it easy on the Bobsled. Unfortunately, I was with my buddy Paz Ortiz who is not only the only non-douche realtor I know in SLC but also a really badass descender and enduro/SuperD racer. He and I always duke it out on the descents so I ended up riding way faster than I should have.
Man, that rear tire is close to that bottom bracket. |
But for rides under 2 hours, or short races, or anything where the goal is fun and not playing chicken with your lactate threshold? Awesome. I love it, I don't regret a thing. I'd recommend it to customers, even, with a few caveats (see the bullet points below).
Awesome stuff:
-Very "intuitive" and hip/lean steering action. If body english is your preferred steering method, this is the kind of bike for you. If you like to jump over/wheelie over/roll up the berm to the side of obstacles, this geometry will help you do it.
-Great climbing traction whether standing or sitting. Man, there's a lot of weight on that rear wheel.
-It's very easy to unweight the front wheel (shocking, I know) for getting up over obstacles whether you're going uphill or down.
-Just plain fun. But then again, it's a mountain bike. Pretty much all mountain bikes are fun unless you're a seriously grouchy individual.
Not much creativity from the Waltworks photography div. on display here. |
-Mistakes will be punished severely. If you come up short on that jump over the little rocky section your dentist will be getting another mistress and/or boat, probably. Kidding aside, this is a terrible geometry for riding where you'll be trying to go fast when you're not fresh and alert. You need to be on the gas and be paying attention to your lines because the bike won't bail you out of a lot of mistakes that a longer one would.
-Unless your technique is very good or you run a very low bar position, it's hard to keep the front wheel down on some steep climbs. The lack of weight on the front wheel and general high trail number mean that this bike does want to wander on slow technical climbing - those who really enjoy that type of stuff may want an adjustable travel fork or a bit different geometry. It's not unmanageable but it's also far from a perfect climbing bike.
-This frame requires a zero-dish (hub offset to the driveside by 5mm) rear wheel and you can *only* run an outboard position (~56mm chainline) ring. That means no crank mounted bashguard (ISCG can be done, though) and no front derailleur. XX1 cranks are a no-go. A Rohloff hub could work reasonably well as they use a 54mm chainline if you are a planetary gears kind of person.
EDIT: Actually, with a 28t MRP bling ring running at 51mm chainline, XX1 will work. In theory you could avoid the offset rear end here.
-Even with the whole rear end moved outboard to line up with the ring the chainline is not especially good in the highest or lowest gear. The stays are so short that the angle just gets extreme. I've had good luck running 9 out of 10 cogs on a 10 speed cassette, which is plenty for me, but those who want a full range will not be happy with the drivetrain performance. Singlespeeders will have no problems. EDIT: With a 28t Bling Ring, chainline is much better and I get full use of all 10/11 gears.
-Tire clearance is somewhat limited - a 2.3 will fit fine but anything bigger is a tight squeeze. Adding 5mm to the chainstays or using an 83mm BB shell (which brings another set of issues that I won't go into now) would take care of this.
So bottom line: I love this bike. I like it even better than my previous short-stay setup from a few years ago and for the right rider (ie more interested in having fun on 2 hour rides than absolute speed or 24 hour solo sufferfests) I think this sort of geometry is a great fit.
I should also note that the new Paragon Polydrops (which Mark asked me to test prototypes of with this frame) are working great after probably 15 hours of riding and I'm happy to build with them (no extra charge) for anyone who is interested. They are probably not the ideal dropout for this bike due to their length (makes it hard to use the second bend on s-bend chainstays to get any heel clearance) but they offer some cool flexibility in terms of bike setup and I have had zero problems with them thus far. Most riders may prefer the low mount or classic DR2010 (or sliders for the singlespeed crowd) but that's a decision that's complex enough that I'm not going to go into it here.
13 comments:
Can I manual on it?
Can I manual on it?
Well, I can't manual it... but I can't manual anything as I think we all know...
I've been finding on my bike that short chainstays + slack angles do some funky stuff to handling. Super fun for a lot of things, not the best ride on real techy stuff though. Kinda neat how that works.
So, for a hardtail 29er with a 40t Shimano double, what approximate minimum stay length can you build, assuming the drivetrain is to work properly, and without heroics?
Thanks,
Clark
Why not just ride a 26"er?
Because I don't like getting hung up on every rock on the trail, mostly. 26" wheels suck balls for someone my size in UT. Slower and less fun for everything except the pump track.
For 2x or 3x drivetrains you really don't want to go shorter than about 42.5cm which is what the Shimano/SRAM stuff is designed for, because the chainline gets AWFUL in some gear combos, but if you throw that consideration out the window, and you're willing to not run huge rear tires, you might be able to get down to 41.5cm or so.
-Walt
Sounds similar to my UBI bike, only more extreme. Mine: 650b w/420mm chain stays and a 1x10 drivetrain. To describe it in one word: FUN! Wanna turn at speed? Just think about it, maybe twitch the hips a little. I love this kind of handling myself. Granted, most of my rides are 2 hours are less.
Hey Walt, do you find that the rear wheel is prone to skidding? Mine feels that way...maybe it's just the tire I'm using (NeoMoto 2.1).
Hey Craig -
No, no problems with rear wheel traction here. In fact it's probably the best rear wheel traction of any hardtail I've ridden. Tons of weight on that rear wheel most of the time.
It's actually weird because you have to make more of a conscious effort on the downhills to get forward and attack so that you weight the *front* wheel enough.
Your pricing, does it include all the components?
Some of us have been riding that setup for years ;)
/J
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