tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36151678.post4959124188285629172..comments2024-03-26T04:02:22.355-07:00Comments on Waltworks Bicycles: The Fat Geometry PostWalthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09156620599767391579noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36151678.post-68535044930561199102014-03-07T10:21:49.446-08:002014-03-07T10:21:49.446-08:00Yep, like I said - if you're going on unpacked...Yep, like I said - if you're going on unpacked/tracked snow, go big!Walthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09156620599767391579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36151678.post-49885987358151924172014-03-07T10:05:14.245-08:002014-03-07T10:05:14.245-08:00As a long time fatty rider, I can tell you that it...As a long time fatty rider, I can tell you that it is mandatory at a minimum to have a frame that will fit Bud/Lou on an 80mm rim. Bud and Lou are a total game changer in the fat world. You wouldn't think so but Bud and Lou are the difference between walking and bike riding on untracked snow. A Bud/Lou measures about 4.2" on a Rolling D rim. I think the key is to have an adjustable dropout. If I place my singer style dropouts back about 1/3, my chain will clear the tire in the low/low combo.Jaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00804178957994397688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36151678.post-186408679624156322014-03-06T21:11:26.795-08:002014-03-06T21:11:26.795-08:00If you're going to ride mostly dry trails, you...If you're going to ride mostly dry trails, you have to decide if you're going to try to ride fast on rough stuff. If so, you're going to have to do a much slacker front end to keep things under control a bit (undamped suspension from tires gets a little crazy at speed) but the bike will feel like a slug on the slower stuff. So it quickly becomes an exercise in compromise, like a lof of things. I'd also probably push the wheelbase and chainstays shorter if possible to make weight transfers/popping wheels over things easier.<br /><br />I think it's usually best to design for snow and let the fat bike do what it can on the dry trails and enjoy it for what it is. Fatbikes are mediocre without snow, performance wise, but they can still be super fun.Walthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09156620599767391579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36151678.post-18538457574713427842014-03-05T05:09:54.598-08:002014-03-05T05:09:54.598-08:00Walt, what changes would you make for a fattie tha...Walt, what changes would you make for a fattie that would see mainly dirt use with the occasional snow day? Call it 75/25 dirt/snow or sandRobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17798166584105179316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36151678.post-1907834355222702982014-03-04T18:17:51.672-08:002014-03-04T18:17:51.672-08:00Tyler -
IMO inverted forks don't count. They ...Tyler -<br /><br />IMO inverted forks don't count. They are *awful* (again, my opinion). There's a reason the DUCs and SUCs of the world are long gone.<br /><br />Walthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09156620599767391579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36151678.post-42958451715770215132014-03-04T18:16:56.532-08:002014-03-04T18:16:56.532-08:00Sure, but then you're just adjusting front cen...Sure, but then you're just adjusting front center with stem length/toptube length and/or shorter reach. If that's how you want to get there, that's fine. But it's not going to steer fundamentally differently than a bike with the same trail and steeper HTA/less rake. I actually built myself an adjustable rake fork many years to test it out, fun stuff. <br /><br />So I guess for me, starting with trail and front center is still what you want. Everything else is driven by those numbers. Walthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09156620599767391579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36151678.post-63275978969349172014-03-04T18:10:10.153-08:002014-03-04T18:10:10.153-08:00Look more closely at the standard Jones bike, the ...Look more closely at the standard Jones bike, the reach is really short and the front center ends up slightly shorter than most 72deg/45mm 29ersFred Blasdelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08057528812732998703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36151678.post-78051487466203891022014-03-04T17:44:21.806-08:002014-03-04T17:44:21.806-08:00Hey walt there are two fat bike specific forks. Ca...Hey walt there are two fat bike specific forks. Carvers trans fat fork and 11nine's fatbike fork. Plus if you haven't seen this yet, you gotta checkout the Nicolai Fatbike with a suspension fork, dropper post and a freaking gearbox. WTF. http://www.pinkbike.com/news/the-worlds-1st-gearbox-fatbike-the-NICOLAI-Argon-Fat-Pinion-2014.html<br /><br />-TylerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36151678.post-40258688177840506532014-03-04T16:58:56.161-08:002014-03-04T16:58:56.161-08:00The Jones bikes are *all* (fat or not) slack and h...The Jones bikes are *all* (fat or not) slack and have tons of offset to compensate and keep the trail number normal. In terms of understeer, that's arguably a desirable attribute on snow anyway. <br /><br />I guess the bottom line is that if you like a really long front center, slack and long offset is a good way to get that. You can get the bike to steer how you want other ways, though, and super long front centers aren't everyone's cup of tea.Walthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09156620599767391579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36151678.post-23006050419572445262014-03-04T16:05:14.389-08:002014-03-04T16:05:14.389-08:00What do you think of the idea of using more fork o...What do you think of the idea of using more fork offset to avoid understeer?<br /><br />Jeff Jones and On-One independently arrived at using 55mm of fork offset on their fatties, at 70deg and 68deg respectively.Fred Blasdelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08057528812732998703noreply@blogger.com